1 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:48,080 welcome a geometric shapes of sass for 2 00:00:51,230 --> 00:00:48,960 football field 3 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:51,240 what kind of machine can bend to stock a 4 00:01:03,530 --> 00:00:53,310 core over without breaking it can't be 5 00:01:05,570 --> 00:01:03,540 by hand is too perfect welcome to 6 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:05,580 rewatch ability the podcast where we 7 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:07,470 watch old movies and TV shows to see if 8 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:08,910 they hold up over time 9 00:01:13,580 --> 00:01:10,650 my name is Blaine waters with me as 10 00:01:15,530 --> 00:01:13,590 always is Robert LaRon and JM McNab and 11 00:01:17,930 --> 00:01:15,540 this week on the podcast we have a 12 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,940 special guest Ryan Sprague what's up 13 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:19,740 guys I'm so honored to be here I've been 14 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:22,259 listening to you for a while now so to 15 00:01:26,830 --> 00:01:24,210 actually have the table's turned and be 16 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:26,840 the guest on a podcast nonetheless yours 17 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:29,640 I'm a little nervous I must admit but 18 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,259 we'll get through this and we'll get 19 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:33,840 through signs as well the tables are 20 00:01:36,980 --> 00:01:34,350 turned 21 00:01:43,969 --> 00:01:36,990 yeah that was very dramatic yeah we're 22 00:01:46,279 --> 00:01:43,979 like a Bond villain and we like to start 23 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:46,289 by thanking our sponsor hellofresh you 24 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:48,390 can go to hello fresh CA and type in 25 00:01:52,820 --> 00:01:49,860 rewatch fifty four fifty percent off 26 00:01:53,809 --> 00:01:52,830 your first order it's fresh food that 27 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:53,819 comes to your door and you can cook 28 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:55,770 yourself it's pretty great and thank you 29 00:01:59,660 --> 00:01:57,990 to our patreon sponsors for giving one 30 00:02:01,520 --> 00:01:59,670 three five dollars a month together 31 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:01,530 that's on here we really appreciate it 32 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,560 and in return we get the podcast early 33 00:02:08,359 --> 00:02:06,479 do you guys and another little perks 34 00:02:10,609 --> 00:02:08,369 like maybe coming up some back catalogue 35 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:10,619 stuff yeah not our show like will send 36 00:02:17,839 --> 00:02:13,650 you old catalogue yeah Rob's been using 37 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:17,849 them as furniture and toilet paper Mike 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:21,450 Meyers brother and this week on the 39 00:02:25,940 --> 00:02:23,130 podcast leg Ryan said we're gonna be 40 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:25,950 talking about m9 shadow man's shaman 41 00:02:32,270 --> 00:02:28,739 shaman like three of his movies you 42 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:32,280 can't pronounce his name yet favorite 43 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:35,610 person I just call him M because you 44 00:02:42,380 --> 00:02:38,489 feel like James Bond a divine yeah we're 45 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:42,390 doing his third movie in his Wow well I 46 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:43,440 was kind of his third movie it's like 47 00:02:47,059 --> 00:02:45,300 it's fourth there's some if you count 48 00:02:49,070 --> 00:02:47,069 other like that the romantic comedies 49 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:49,080 yeah yeah didn't he write a Rosie 50 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:50,790 O'Donnell movie or something first kid 51 00:02:57,229 --> 00:02:54,810 yeah yeah this is his first or third 52 00:02:59,990 --> 00:02:57,239 directorial movie yeah I'm like part of 53 00:03:02,740 --> 00:03:00,000 what's considered his Oubre so it's 54 00:03:05,390 --> 00:03:02,750 with Mel Gibson and Joaquin Phoenix and 55 00:03:07,340 --> 00:03:05,400 aliens some kids 56 00:03:10,510 --> 00:03:07,350 yeah and some kids not just any kid you 57 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:10,520 got a little miss sunshine and a Culkin 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:12,750 and we should mention the tie and why 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:14,250 we're doing this and why we're doing 60 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:16,290 this with Ryan is because Ryan hosts a 61 00:03:19,930 --> 00:03:18,390 podcast on our network the antic Annette 62 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:19,940 were called somewhere in the skies 63 00:03:23,810 --> 00:03:21,959 mm-hmm do you want to give us just like 64 00:03:26,090 --> 00:03:23,820 a quick summary of what your podcast is 65 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:26,100 about Ryan yeah absolutely man so I have 66 00:03:31,940 --> 00:03:29,040 been you know interested in the UFO 67 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:31,950 phenomenon ever since I was a kid I did 68 00:03:37,370 --> 00:03:35,130 have what I perceived to be a UFO 69 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:37,380 sighting when I was 12 years old 70 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:39,750 actually up near you guys this is off of 71 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:46,560 Lake Ontario on the US huh yep I used to 72 00:03:51,530 --> 00:03:48,540 camp right on the border and I was 73 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:51,540 fishing one night I look up and I see 74 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:54,090 these three white lights in a triangular 75 00:03:58,699 --> 00:03:56,250 formation that red light in the middle 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:03:58,709 just floating over the water completely 77 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:01,650 silent it was terrifying I didn't know 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:03,000 what the hell I was looking at I call 79 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:05,730 for my dad to come out see what it is 80 00:04:09,949 --> 00:04:08,190 and he's watching a Yankees game inside 81 00:04:12,259 --> 00:04:09,959 so I couldn't really pull him away from 82 00:04:14,180 --> 00:04:12,269 that but he did eventually come out he 83 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:14,190 did see the tail end of this thing as it 84 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:18,060 floated towards you guys and I was right 85 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:23,910 towards your house yeah that fear kinda 86 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:25,050 turned during obsession 87 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:27,000 I started looking at to the phenomenon 88 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:30,090 ever since and that led to you know 89 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:32,310 interviewing people about having seen 90 00:04:38,420 --> 00:04:35,490 UFOs in my hometown of Syracuse New York 91 00:04:40,250 --> 00:04:38,430 and sort of branching out from there AOL 92 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:40,260 is big at the time chat rooms and 93 00:04:45,140 --> 00:04:42,600 message boards so I started going on 94 00:04:47,780 --> 00:04:45,150 there and the rest is sort of history I 95 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:47,790 I heard about more and more sightings 96 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:49,710 that people were having I started 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:52,080 writing for magazines and that led to a 98 00:04:57,230 --> 00:04:54,930 book and then eventually the podcast 99 00:05:01,070 --> 00:04:57,240 which is where they you know the book 100 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:01,080 ended and the journey continued in just 101 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:02,880 you know hashing it out with people 102 00:05:06,650 --> 00:05:04,770 having a debate about what these UFOs 103 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:06,660 could be you know are they alien are 104 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:09,750 they top-secret military technology are 105 00:05:13,370 --> 00:05:12,080 they demonic I mean the and the 106 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:13,380 possibilities 107 00:05:17,210 --> 00:05:15,570 endless about what these things could be 108 00:05:19,430 --> 00:05:17,220 whatever they are they're unidentified 109 00:05:20,930 --> 00:05:19,440 we don't know what they are but that's 110 00:05:23,180 --> 00:05:20,940 that's not what the podcast is about I 111 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:23,190 bring people on in every walk of life 112 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:25,470 whether they're you know an academic 113 00:05:31,730 --> 00:05:29,340 scientist a musician you know your local 114 00:05:33,740 --> 00:05:31,740 barista your coffee shop whatever I just 115 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:33,750 want to hear what everyone thinks about 116 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:36,230 this topic and what profound 117 00:05:41,030 --> 00:05:38,430 implications that could have if we did 118 00:05:43,130 --> 00:05:41,040 discover that you know maybe this was 119 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:43,140 alien who knows so yeah that's what's 120 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:44,400 somewhere in the skies is all about 121 00:05:50,410 --> 00:05:47,970 that's where that's intense have you 122 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:50,420 interviewed any lapsed priests who 123 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:54,230 flipped back again after a UFO encounter 124 00:05:59,690 --> 00:05:56,570 I've interviewed someone who actually 125 00:06:03,230 --> 00:05:59,700 became a priest after oh really so that 126 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:03,240 was interesting yeah this guy he claims 127 00:06:10,310 --> 00:06:06,330 that he was abducted by aliens all right 128 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:10,320 and during his abduction experience he 129 00:06:14,690 --> 00:06:12,900 says that he saw a symbol by whatever 130 00:06:17,810 --> 00:06:14,700 these creatures were that abducted him 131 00:06:19,850 --> 00:06:17,820 and it was you know it was a fist or 132 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:19,860 excuse me it was not a fist it was two 133 00:06:26,030 --> 00:06:22,620 hands clasped together like praying and 134 00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:26,040 a lightning rivets though he perceived 135 00:06:35,660 --> 00:06:33,950 Christianity was like a fist and a 136 00:06:44,630 --> 00:06:35,670 lightning bolt I might be a church right 137 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:44,640 now we should probably get into newbee 138 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:45,840 well that sounds great I think you're 139 00:06:48,980 --> 00:06:47,490 gonna bring a level of expertise to this 140 00:06:51,470 --> 00:06:48,990 stupid movie that we're gonna talk about 141 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:51,480 yeah an intensity to usually just gags 142 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:53,340 from us so let's go around and talk 143 00:06:57,710 --> 00:06:54,810 about the first time that we saw signs 144 00:07:00,080 --> 00:06:57,720 and maybe if we had anything with aliens 145 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:00,090 or what we believe in yeah did you see 146 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:01,770 the signs did it open up your mind 147 00:07:07,330 --> 00:07:05,310 you saw science I was gonna make a a the 148 00:07:12,620 --> 00:07:07,340 base reference I'm sorry 149 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:12,630 so I never saw the sign I never even 150 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:14,850 ever seen sighs no I I didn't see it no 151 00:07:18,770 --> 00:07:17,550 you know I loved the first two 152 00:07:21,409 --> 00:07:18,780 I mean I loved sixth sense and 153 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:21,419 unbreakable and I guess I might have 154 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:23,760 mists I can't remember whether Mel 155 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:25,710 Gibson was already awful at this point 156 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:27,090 maybe that was the reason 157 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:29,970 not I mean we'll get into it maybe a bit 158 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:32,540 more later but to give you a bit of 159 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:35,250 context this movie came out in 2002 160 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:37,730 right Passion of the Christ came out in 161 00:07:43,909 --> 00:07:41,400 2004 right and I believe his DUI where 162 00:07:47,090 --> 00:07:43,919 he said that Jews were responsible for 163 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:47,100 all the wars in the world was 2006 so 164 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:49,110 just to give you a little right of a 165 00:07:52,879 --> 00:07:51,330 timeline for Mel Gibson it's possible 166 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:52,889 because our like feelings have changed 167 00:07:57,980 --> 00:07:56,490 about him but I oh you mean since then 168 00:08:02,090 --> 00:07:57,990 not it's not like we're okay with him 169 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:02,100 now because you know daddy's home - no I 170 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:03,870 know I saw the trailer for that and I 171 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:05,970 like see like John let's go Will Ferrell 172 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:07,710 they're just like keeping an eye on him 173 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:09,950 the so he doesn't say anything bad yeah 174 00:08:14,180 --> 00:08:12,240 actually like I've been doing some 175 00:08:16,940 --> 00:08:14,190 writing for another podcast and I spent 176 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:16,950 the day researching the atrocities of 177 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:20,970 Mel Gibson from Pisa and then for God I 178 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:22,680 was like okay time to distract myself 179 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:25,110 with this week's podcast movie and 180 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:27,540 that's a look at Mel Gibson for two yeah 181 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:32,010 that's more everywhere attorneys yeah my 182 00:08:36,110 --> 00:08:34,110 roof outside my window I didn't see this 183 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:36,120 movie and then like M night Shyamalan 184 00:08:41,329 --> 00:08:39,659 became ridiculous like his movie people 185 00:08:43,550 --> 00:08:41,339 just started to question whether or not 186 00:08:45,050 --> 00:08:43,560 he was a good director yeah so I didn't 187 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:45,060 see this one and I sort of thought that 188 00:08:49,430 --> 00:08:47,100 maybe this was maybe on the precipice of 189 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:49,440 him starting to become ridiculous or 190 00:08:53,390 --> 00:08:51,720 something so I never saw it was sort of 191 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:53,400 interested in it but just never got 192 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:54,000 around to it 193 00:09:01,100 --> 00:08:58,410 as to the other question I haven't 194 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:01,110 personally had any experiences with the 195 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:03,360 UFOs or anything like that my dad's 196 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:05,970 really into a lot of the subject matter 197 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:08,100 and I remember definitely having like 198 00:09:13,390 --> 00:09:11,250 old alien magazines lying around the 199 00:09:16,490 --> 00:09:13,400 house and spending a lot of time 200 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:16,500 watching the skies and you know looking 201 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:18,120 to see what lights were moving and and 202 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:21,120 what sort of patterns so the subject 203 00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:23,760 matter I think is interesting to me as 204 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:27,120 well I don't know whether I believe in 205 00:09:32,630 --> 00:09:30,779 all of and everybody's like story about 206 00:09:34,340 --> 00:09:32,640 encountering aliens you don't think 207 00:09:37,490 --> 00:09:34,350 Jodie Foster's dad is out there on a 208 00:09:45,810 --> 00:09:43,769 yeah my dad's on a planet somewhere what 209 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:45,820 about you Jim I saw this movie in the 210 00:09:51,210 --> 00:09:48,700 theater yeah because I really liked em 211 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:51,220 night at this time and I really like 212 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:53,050 this movie at the time I remember not 213 00:09:59,340 --> 00:09:55,920 liking the ending because it felt like 214 00:10:05,070 --> 00:09:59,350 the twists had become such a proscribed 215 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:05,080 component of his movies and I was so 216 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:06,610 into it when they were just kind of 217 00:10:10,019 --> 00:10:08,529 barricading themselves in the basement 218 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:10,029 which we'll get into obviously a great 219 00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:13,270 scene yeah so I feel like the end just 220 00:10:19,769 --> 00:10:17,230 kind of felt like like something that 221 00:10:21,870 --> 00:10:19,779 was tacked on out of some kind of need 222 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:21,880 to fulfill the audience's expectations 223 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:23,860 that there would be a twist but I 224 00:10:28,380 --> 00:10:25,750 remember really like in really the music 225 00:10:32,010 --> 00:10:28,390 especially stuck out for me the haunting 226 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:32,020 music felt very twilight Sony so yeah I 227 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:34,000 really like this movie as for the UFO 228 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:36,040 question yeah I I've never had any 229 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:39,250 experiences I I don't know that I would 230 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:42,279 qualify myself as as a believer per se I 231 00:10:46,079 --> 00:10:44,410 do remember when I was a kid we had a 232 00:10:47,699 --> 00:10:46,089 book about UFOs in like our school 233 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:47,709 library yeah I mean when I was like 234 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:49,120 seven or eight and I just thought 235 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:50,860 everything and it was true because it 236 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:55,870 was a book it was there to educate me 237 00:11:00,960 --> 00:10:58,330 and I didn't realize so much later that 238 00:11:02,340 --> 00:11:00,970 it's like oh there's there's probably it 239 00:11:03,630 --> 00:11:02,350 was just one of those picture books they 240 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:03,640 probably got it like the discount 241 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:06,100 section of you know Kohl's or whatever 242 00:11:11,940 --> 00:11:08,440 but say yeah I've certainly always been 243 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:11,950 drawn to stories of UFOs and and the 244 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:13,270 paranormal even though I don't 245 00:11:18,690 --> 00:11:15,850 necessarily count myself among the 246 00:11:25,530 --> 00:11:18,700 believers what about you Blaine I you 247 00:11:27,540 --> 00:11:25,540 can be honest but no I saw signs when I 248 00:11:29,010 --> 00:11:27,550 came out I loved it I loved I'm going to 249 00:11:31,740 --> 00:11:29,020 show them in a lot and I'm still a 250 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:31,750 Emmaline apologist I think he's so great 251 00:11:38,970 --> 00:11:36,610 and and yeah okay yeah and I think he's 252 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:38,980 a great writer and I think when he's 253 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:40,360 given time to like come up with a good 254 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:42,700 script he usually does and I love his 255 00:11:46,890 --> 00:11:44,140 direction especially in this movie so 256 00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:46,900 we'll talk about that but yeah I liked 257 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:48,640 it I wanted my friends to watch it it 258 00:11:50,430 --> 00:11:49,120 made me want to 259 00:11:52,350 --> 00:11:50,440 watch all the rest of his movies 260 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:52,360 unbreakable was so good that like I 261 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:54,250 don't know I just I just like everything 262 00:12:01,710 --> 00:11:56,890 he does and as for the alien question 263 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:01,720 you can be honest I I know I used to I 264 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:03,550 used to be a person that definitely 265 00:12:07,470 --> 00:12:04,210 believed in that 266 00:12:08,850 --> 00:12:07,480 you lost your faith when I was and you 267 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:08,860 guys are here to haunt me have you ever 268 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:10,420 talked about your wife's passing on the 269 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:16,089 show before so yeah when I was a 270 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:17,980 teenager I I mean I wanted to be an 271 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:20,140 astronaut I loved I got all the books at 272 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:21,790 from my grade school library on 273 00:12:25,290 --> 00:12:23,620 astronomy and they were all alien books 274 00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:25,300 beside them so I was like yes don't 275 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:27,190 trust books I know that's the worst 276 00:12:32,190 --> 00:12:29,770 thing but yeah so I was obsessed with 277 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:32,200 aliens when I was a kid I watched every 278 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:34,210 episode of x-files twice I watched the 279 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:37,210 alien autopsy on Fox and convinced my 280 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:38,980 friends on the schoolyard like it was 281 00:12:43,380 --> 00:12:41,529 real I we were only wearing wristwatches 282 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:43,390 because you know they had wristwatch 283 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:44,890 technology in the government years 284 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:50,260 before they released watches oh yeah I 285 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:52,089 know wrist watches have been around for 286 00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:54,610 a while I find that stuff all really 287 00:12:59,610 --> 00:12:57,279 intriguing now I listen to your Ryan 288 00:13:02,699 --> 00:12:59,620 your episode on the Andreasen incident 289 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:02,709 and yeah that stuff is still fascinating 290 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:04,930 to me where was this thing - that - yeah 291 00:13:09,630 --> 00:13:06,970 and whether there's any kind of like 292 00:13:11,970 --> 00:13:09,640 factual evidence for it or not I still 293 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:11,980 like that the rumor is out there to make 294 00:13:15,180 --> 00:13:13,540 us think that you know there could be 295 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:15,190 something more and I kind of like that 296 00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:16,660 so what about you Ryan 297 00:13:21,269 --> 00:13:19,000 I wouldn't foresee science yeah so I 298 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:21,279 just like you I did see this in theaters 299 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:24,490 I tried to pull everyone I could think 300 00:13:40,250 --> 00:13:28,570 of to go see this friends family anyone 301 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:42,630 like Field of Dreams if someone did 302 00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:47,050 something else to the cornfield yes many 303 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:50,140 people believe this is a sequel you like 304 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:51,610 show it to your coach and you're like 305 00:13:54,610 --> 00:13:53,290 see I was supposed to hit that kid with 306 00:13:58,900 --> 00:13:54,620 the baseball bat 307 00:14:00,610 --> 00:13:58,910 away come on but yeah I did see it in 308 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:00,620 theaters and by the end of the movie I 309 00:14:05,890 --> 00:14:02,930 kind of had that same feeling of that 310 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:05,900 tacked on ending or whatnot of oh okay 311 00:14:12,130 --> 00:14:08,210 this isn't really what I was expecting 312 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:12,140 so yeah so but I did I did really enjoy 313 00:14:17,770 --> 00:14:15,110 the film for what it was for kind of the 314 00:14:20,650 --> 00:14:17,780 the theories that M night brought to it 315 00:14:23,770 --> 00:14:20,660 in terms of like the mythology behind 316 00:14:26,530 --> 00:14:23,780 you ufology yeah you know the study of 317 00:14:29,650 --> 00:14:26,540 UFOs the decades and decades of research 318 00:14:31,420 --> 00:14:29,660 and do crop circles UFOs and alien 319 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:31,430 abductions they did their homework 320 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:33,290 definitely for sure but we can 321 00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:34,970 definitely get into that yeah yeah we 322 00:14:38,770 --> 00:14:36,830 didn't even really talk about crop 323 00:14:40,810 --> 00:14:38,780 circles so much in our intro but yeah 324 00:14:43,270 --> 00:14:40,820 this is kind of like all coming from 325 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:43,280 this sort of I guess some of them have 326 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:45,170 been exposed as hoaxes the whole crop 327 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:46,910 circle phenomenon what maybe you can 328 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:48,710 illuminate what what is kind of the 329 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:51,470 history of crop circles that he's kind 330 00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:54,110 of riffing on so I mean crop circles 331 00:14:59,140 --> 00:14:56,480 have been around first centuries at this 332 00:14:59,740 --> 00:14:59,150 point it's a very Eurocentric sort of 333 00:15:03,070 --> 00:14:59,750 thing 334 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:03,080 they were seen all over England and like 335 00:15:06,670 --> 00:15:04,490 he said yeah a lot of them have been 336 00:15:09,610 --> 00:15:06,680 proven to be hoaxes by people who go out 337 00:15:12,010 --> 00:15:09,620 there at night and they use these wooden 338 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:12,020 boards and attach them to their feet and 339 00:15:17,410 --> 00:15:14,270 their stump in the corn down and they do 340 00:15:19,650 --> 00:15:17,420 they get groups of 10 20 people to go 341 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:19,660 and do this make these very intricate 342 00:15:27,130 --> 00:15:22,850 designs that take all night and precise 343 00:15:28,660 --> 00:15:27,140 measurements and there's a lot of fun so 344 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:28,670 fun can you imagine like just getting 345 00:15:32,050 --> 00:15:30,140 drunk and going out and doing this and 346 00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:32,060 then the next day people are saying oh 347 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:34,220 my god aliens are invading it seems like 348 00:15:41,530 --> 00:15:38,870 a good time it doesn't even really make 349 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:41,540 sense like even in this movie where the 350 00:15:45,850 --> 00:15:44,330 crop circles are made by the aliens that 351 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:45,860 should been the twist like oh no it was 352 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:50,510 just the drunken neighbors because they 353 00:15:54,850 --> 00:15:52,430 say like oh they were using them as maps 354 00:15:57,370 --> 00:15:54,860 it's like well how did they master space 355 00:15:59,950 --> 00:15:57,380 travel but they don't have like GPS why 356 00:16:00,280 --> 00:15:59,960 is that the best method so just use an 357 00:16:04,780 --> 00:16:00,290 arrow 358 00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:04,790 you know the crop circles were supposed 359 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:06,320 to be like where the spaceship landed 360 00:16:09,630 --> 00:16:07,390 and flatten 361 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:09,640 the corn is that no what no because 362 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:10,930 there's no lease because they're not 363 00:16:17,850 --> 00:16:14,320 designs Oh in history in history maybe I 364 00:16:21,890 --> 00:16:17,860 mean yes once before they go before they 365 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:21,900 got super yes labrang she got into it 366 00:16:28,590 --> 00:16:26,010 it's like doing latte art for your drink 367 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:28,600 but yeah there's many theories on you 368 00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:30,850 know why why these things are showing up 369 00:16:35,070 --> 00:16:32,920 but if they were Amy and you know is it 370 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:35,080 a message if so what kind of message are 371 00:16:39,690 --> 00:16:37,210 they conveying with these super weird 372 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,700 things like who's going to decipher this 373 00:16:43,950 --> 00:16:41,440 so I thought it was interesting in the 374 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:43,960 movie how that it was a map that they 375 00:16:49,230 --> 00:16:46,090 used to look at from above as they're 376 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:49,240 invading so I actually really enjoyed em 377 00:16:54,330 --> 00:16:51,370 nice take on that for sure or whether 378 00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,340 that's true to any actual theories on 379 00:16:59,280 --> 00:16:56,800 what it could be who knows and honestly 380 00:17:01,410 --> 00:16:59,290 like there's so many theories nobody 381 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:01,420 really knows anyways so I enjoyed that 382 00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:04,000 aspect of it great well let's get into 383 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:05,500 the movie let's do a little bit of 384 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:08,260 rundown wrap okay so it sort of starts 385 00:17:19,290 --> 00:17:16,360 with mel gibson he wakes up hears a 386 00:17:21,810 --> 00:17:19,300 scream and he like you know his kids are 387 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:21,820 like calling for him so he like wakes up 388 00:17:26,189 --> 00:17:23,770 his little brother Joaquin Phoenix and 389 00:17:28,620 --> 00:17:26,199 they go running out into the cornfield 390 00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:28,630 and he's realized that someone has 391 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:31,870 flattened his corn and that makes him 392 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:34,710 really upset it takes a while to grow 393 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:38,170 you know farming that corn oh yeah maybe 394 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:39,790 it isn't his core I was confused about 395 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:41,500 that because he's like a priest 396 00:17:45,810 --> 00:17:44,200 yeah there's no farmer in his family 397 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:45,820 unless the little kids are farming I 398 00:17:51,330 --> 00:17:47,020 don't know they don't seem to go to 399 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:51,340 school it's a pretty big plot hole we 400 00:17:57,180 --> 00:17:53,260 don't know whose farm this is you know 401 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:57,190 is this life yeah yeah maybe his wife 402 00:18:01,770 --> 00:17:58,240 was a corn farmer 403 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:01,780 oh yeah it's really sexist of us not to 404 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:03,460 assume that his wife could be a corn 405 00:18:09,330 --> 00:18:05,590 farmer my wife planted this corn before 406 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:09,340 she died yeah but and anyway so it's 407 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:12,190 like this weird like symbol and Mel 408 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:14,170 Gibson I mean the character doesn't know 409 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:15,970 what to think but you know we that no 410 00:18:29,370 --> 00:18:27,900 he actually thinks it's like probably 411 00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:29,380 just some local kids or something like 412 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:31,480 that so we like call somebody but then 413 00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:33,130 some other weird stuff starts happening 414 00:18:44,010 --> 00:18:42,570 he's pretty spooky and you know we got 415 00:18:45,810 --> 00:18:44,020 to sort of like see his like family a 416 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:45,820 little bit we get like his kids there is 417 00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:48,250 a little miss sunshine and the youngest 418 00:18:54,930 --> 00:18:50,590 Culkin little Culkin Rory I believe his 419 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:54,940 name is are they all did they all turn 420 00:19:03,750 --> 00:18:56,770 weird or is it just like they all have 421 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:03,760 bands related bands but animals seem to 422 00:19:08,370 --> 00:19:06,160 be acting weird like at one point the 423 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,380 dog like attacks like the kid and they 424 00:19:12,810 --> 00:19:10,960 have to like stab the dog yeah he stabs 425 00:19:13,380 --> 00:19:12,820 the dog the coal kicks down the dog yeah 426 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:13,390 that's crazy 427 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:15,550 there are they're weird kids yeah he's 428 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:17,890 working his way up to battling home 429 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:23,950 invaders micromachines so we filed a 430 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:26,170 police report we get like the police 431 00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:28,090 officer I don't know the sheriff or 432 00:19:31,950 --> 00:19:29,620 whatever she's a great actor I've seen 433 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:31,960 her in like a bunch of stuff she's the 434 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:35,770 professor on transparency yeah why is 435 00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:37,510 she so familiar we're gonna put a black 436 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:40,960 mirror - it's like a trucker cherry 437 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:48,190 Jones well it's hard because I'm not 438 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:49,630 shallow man gets the most wooden 439 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,730 performances from he's like hey what 440 00:19:59,010 --> 00:19:53,200 you're doing is acting and I don't like 441 00:20:00,510 --> 00:19:59,020 it yeah no weird stilted way yeah maybe 442 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:00,520 is it okay to talk about now because it 443 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:03,940 is weird how still and yeah like dry and 444 00:20:08,250 --> 00:20:06,610 airless everything is right yeah like I 445 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:08,260 was watching my wife watch the beginning 446 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:10,990 of it with me and you know seeing it now 447 00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:13,270 as parents like the scene where the kid 448 00:20:17,910 --> 00:20:16,000 has stabbed the dog yeah and Mel Gibson 449 00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:17,920 just kind of slowly walks over and 450 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:19,630 stands there for several minutes like 451 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,290 what happened he fell on us so like a 452 00:20:27,210 --> 00:20:25,120 parent would stab that dog again and 453 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:27,220 again run over you hug your kid like oh 454 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:29,260 my god what happened my holy [\h__\h] you 455 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:31,130 stabbed a dog yeah 456 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:33,770 PTSD too bad you have a mom to comfort 457 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:40,370 you yeah everything seems very posed 458 00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,919 yeah and like again like the dialogue is 459 00:20:48,909 --> 00:20:44,960 like very like scripty like he fell on 460 00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:48,919 us yeah well and it's and other 461 00:20:58,890 --> 00:20:51,740 filmmakers do it to like largo slant the 462 00:21:01,919 --> 00:20:58,900 most sacred deer yeah it was cool yeah 463 00:21:04,659 --> 00:21:01,929 yeah and the lobster was was a big one 464 00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:04,669 yeah he does like really still scenes 465 00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:06,980 and people don't emot-- all but like 466 00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:09,590 when they do they do and that's like 467 00:21:13,299 --> 00:21:11,480 they break and that's so lovely to watch 468 00:21:15,070 --> 00:21:13,309 got a play for comedy I think supposed 469 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:15,080 to be funny yeah I don't think this is 470 00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:18,830 supposed to be funny enough interesting 471 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:21,070 yeah I mean this takes place in what 472 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:23,929 Pennsylvania I believe it is 45 miles 473 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:26,650 outside of yeah Pittsburgh oh right 474 00:21:35,169 --> 00:21:31,970 exact location yeah it's very rural town 475 00:21:37,779 --> 00:21:35,179 I wonder like is this a family who's so 476 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,789 down on what's going on around them you 477 00:21:41,649 --> 00:21:39,440 got like the foul baseball player and 478 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:41,659 Joaquin Phoenix you've got the felt 479 00:21:46,810 --> 00:21:45,110 priest as it were and these two kids who 480 00:21:48,820 --> 00:21:46,820 are just so naive at the time like they 481 00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:48,830 have no idea what's going on I feel like 482 00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:50,600 yeah the energy in the beginning of this 483 00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:54,140 movie is just non-existent and then as 484 00:21:59,039 --> 00:21:56,659 it progresses we'll get some pretty some 485 00:22:02,049 --> 00:21:59,049 pretty emotional scenes with Mel Gibson 486 00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:02,059 later on in the film but yeah it is very 487 00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:04,760 interesting how dull they seem to be in 488 00:22:10,539 --> 00:22:08,480 the colors kind of washed out of it too 489 00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,549 like it's a pretty dull movie to start 490 00:22:18,399 --> 00:22:13,280 with I'm glad that these crop circles 491 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:18,409 showed up Jesus give that dog peed on 492 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:22,610 the floor I think as we'll find out it 493 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:24,500 all happened for a reason it was meant 494 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:27,530 to be but cherry Jones is kind of the 495 00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:29,090 first person that comes in and gives 496 00:22:32,529 --> 00:22:31,070 some comedy to it because she's saying 497 00:22:36,340 --> 00:22:32,539 that like there are women high jumpers 498 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:36,350 they so weird yeah it's it's weird but 499 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:39,049 it's meant to be weird I don't know we 500 00:22:41,980 --> 00:22:40,490 should say Mel Gibson season alien 501 00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:41,990 outside of his widow and 502 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:45,059 yeah a nice Ingham yeah and then they're 503 00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:46,200 like this presumably because he thinks 504 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:49,980 he's some kind of minority aliens on 505 00:22:58,820 --> 00:22:56,760 this planet this is a metaphor yeah yeah 506 00:23:01,039 --> 00:22:58,830 yeah she's like you know are you sure 507 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:01,049 that it was a man you saw could have 508 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:02,910 been a woman yeah and then McKean 509 00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:05,100 Phoenix is like it sure wasn't no woman 510 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:06,840 cuz I haven't seen a woman run like that 511 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:07,710 or something like that 512 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:09,750 yeah then she's like well I've seen 513 00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:12,210 women Olympians and they got them 514 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Swedish had jumpers yeah I but you know 515 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:17,250 what I kind of like that for a character 516 00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,570 because she's a small-town cop it's 517 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:19,919 probably had to talk about what woman 518 00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:22,530 can do for the longest time I don't know 519 00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:25,080 I like it but I feel like if it she was 520 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:26,460 a real person she'd be like well I can 521 00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,850 run pretty fast I'm a police officer saw 522 00:23:34,909 --> 00:23:31,380 the Olympics once and there were women 523 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:34,919 honest yeah it is strange it was really 524 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:36,809 weird and then walking kind of calls her 525 00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:38,490 out for it he's like yeah can we get 526 00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:39,659 past this to talk about what really 527 00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:42,539 happened I did read that one of the 528 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:45,000 original designs for the aliens was 529 00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:47,130 going to be like this 530 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:48,539 yeah there's gonna be literally just 531 00:24:00,890 --> 00:23:57,600 Swedish high jumpers no it's gonna be 532 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:00,900 like this more feminine physique maybe 533 00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:04,049 to play with the idea that it's all a 534 00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,630 metaphor for a Mel Gibson's haunted you 535 00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:07,919 know being haunted by his dead wife 536 00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:12,150 almost like a but also that would make 537 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:14,190 that scene make a little more sense if 538 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:16,590 it was kind of could it could have been 539 00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,679 construed as as possibly a female right 540 00:24:23,539 --> 00:24:21,600 but they're not really guys like six 541 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:23,549 feet tall and he's on the roof yeah you 542 00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:31,530 got any ran anywhere like you know yeah 543 00:24:37,399 --> 00:24:34,620 you could do in Jurassic world so yeah 544 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:37,409 anything's possible okay we're gonna be 545 00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:38,970 back with Ryan 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what the alien looked 574 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:42,210 like in this movie what what's kind of 575 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:44,130 the theories behind or what people see 576 00:26:01,940 --> 00:25:45,720 in an abductions and stuff in your 577 00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:01,950 experience right yeah so I mean it 578 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,860 really runs the gamut here guys I mean 579 00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:06,480 I've heard everything from these 580 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:09,720 prototypical Grey's these small you know 581 00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,330 skinny very androgynous creatures with 582 00:26:17,270 --> 00:26:14,520 the big black eyes we know it it's so 583 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:17,280 big in pop culture that's the main one 584 00:26:21,770 --> 00:26:19,050 that I've come across and they seem to 585 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:21,780 be like drone like almost that they 586 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:23,850 don't have any emotion there's just sort 587 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:26,970 of acting very robotically I'm sure 588 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:39,810 they're not in an M it's fine Donald 589 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,080 Duck yeah Donald the duck he never wears 590 00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:45,000 pants it's just Donald Duck there's Noth 591 00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,030 uh because your mom bought you some 592 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:53,760 weird off-brand Disney products well 593 00:27:00,920 --> 00:26:56,370 they can say Donald Duck yeah and 594 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:00,930 Neptune the dog it's fine sorry so so we 595 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,490 have like the greys I know they're kind 596 00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:05,840 of like the tall green guys to haul 597 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:08,120 reptilians yeah 598 00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:12,310 lizard-like creatures overlords the 599 00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:38,840 government won and then these it's funny 600 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:40,790 you mentioned the the sort of Swedish 601 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:42,770 tall thing that's another big one in 602 00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:45,610 Alien mythology are these Nordic like 603 00:27:51,610 --> 00:27:49,070 tall blond blue-eyed humanoid-looking 604 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:51,620 things that are often reported in 605 00:27:56,650 --> 00:27:54,410 abduction experiences overseeing what 606 00:27:59,640 --> 00:27:56,660 these little grey aliens are doing to 607 00:28:02,830 --> 00:27:59,650 the humans so it's fascinating 608 00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:02,840 interesting they're all working together 609 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:05,240 this Galactic Federation I didn't know 610 00:28:15,910 --> 00:28:14,090 that white supremacy was like wow so at 611 00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:15,920 this point like they've started it's not 612 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:17,900 just happening to them in the movie like 613 00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:19,340 they've started there's been other 614 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:22,790 occurrences that they see on TV like I 615 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,410 think at this point there's like a whole 616 00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,960 bunch of ships over Mexico City oh yeah 617 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:28,880 just sort of like floating there yeah 618 00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:30,410 they can't get into the States because 619 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:41,660 of that wall man we yeah we also they're 620 00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,710 like a bunch of stuff about like the 621 00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:44,720 characters - like what can you Phoenix 622 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:46,940 character used to be a baseball player 623 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:50,270 well another weird scene they all go 624 00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:52,850 into town and they all kind of split off 625 00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:55,460 and get these things it's such a weird 626 00:29:00,730 --> 00:28:57,320 scene it's like the scene with Joaquin 627 00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:00,740 Phoenix's and the army guys Mira cooter 628 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:03,950 yes considering joining the army to 629 00:29:06,790 --> 00:29:05,750 fight the aliens I don't know why this 630 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:06,800 is coming up now 631 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:09,170 but that's leader in its they the army 632 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,970 guys one of those weird things were is 633 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:13,760 like hey don't I know you from somewhere 634 00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:15,290 and then a minute later it was like hey 635 00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:17,960 you're Meryl whatever it's like I saw 636 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:19,220 you do this and then he knows all the 637 00:29:21,789 --> 00:29:20,810 statistics it's like wow you really 638 00:29:23,379 --> 00:29:21,799 jumped from 639 00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:23,389 not knowing him at all it's knowing 640 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:27,409 everything about him yeah that he like 641 00:29:34,629 --> 00:29:33,230 sucks at and swinging like but also it's 642 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:34,639 like the weird dialogue because he says 643 00:29:38,139 --> 00:29:36,409 something like hey why aren't you like 644 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:38,149 in a bed full of money with women 645 00:29:44,409 --> 00:29:41,809 licking your toes oh man who thing and 646 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:44,419 weirdly delivered because this actor is 647 00:29:50,769 --> 00:29:47,330 taking like such delicacy with every 648 00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:50,779 line is so weird as like I know you is 649 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:54,080 such a weird delivery yeah if the reveal 650 00:29:59,349 --> 00:29:55,700 had been that that was an alien who 651 00:30:01,149 --> 00:29:59,359 killed the real me I would not have been 652 00:30:03,129 --> 00:30:01,159 surprised yeah kidding and IKEA 653 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:03,139 furniture and then if the scene wasn't 654 00:30:08,049 --> 00:30:05,929 weird enough a guy that we hadn't seen 655 00:30:10,989 --> 00:30:08,059 in the seen prior played by Michael 656 00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:10,999 Showalter for some reason he's a 657 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:13,369 terrible baseball player he swung at 658 00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:15,830 every pitch and then Joaquin Phoenix 659 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:18,409 says fell wrong not to swing which point 660 00:30:24,749 --> 00:30:20,090 I said then you do not understand 661 00:30:29,379 --> 00:30:26,919 it's literally not how the game is 662 00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:29,389 played a racecar driver felt wrong not 663 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:31,129 to crash it's like you don't know the 664 00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:34,340 whole thing like a hockey player being 665 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:37,190 like I don't want to use a stick it's a 666 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:39,769 metaphor for life or something this was 667 00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:42,769 like the most the meanest way to give 668 00:30:47,529 --> 00:30:45,919 exposition to a character ever I hated 669 00:30:49,869 --> 00:30:47,539 learning about these characters because 670 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:49,879 always delivered in this really odd 671 00:30:54,849 --> 00:30:52,369 stilted way yeah let's get the guy from 672 00:30:57,310 --> 00:30:54,859 Stella to shit-talk Joaquin Phoenix 673 00:30:59,229 --> 00:30:57,320 person I could I could oh like I was 674 00:31:00,519 --> 00:30:59,239 like that can't be him it's so it must 675 00:31:01,779 --> 00:31:00,529 be like just someone who looks like him 676 00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:01,789 because it's such a bit role in this 677 00:31:04,659 --> 00:31:04,100 weird movie like it's not anything up 678 00:31:06,669 --> 00:31:04,669 his alley 679 00:31:08,859 --> 00:31:06,679 he's never done another movie like this 680 00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:08,869 I don't think so yeah so weird 681 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:10,700 and the next thing weird thing that 682 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:12,289 happens after that is because they're 683 00:31:21,070 --> 00:31:15,049 all in town and they see M night 684 00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:21,080 Shyamalan car with some groceries and 685 00:31:28,869 --> 00:31:26,929 then they're like making this terrible 686 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:28,879 movie it feels like a scene from like 687 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:31,129 you know like a freaky sixties 688 00:31:34,390 --> 00:31:32,990 postmodern play where all everyone 689 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:34,400 realizes they're in a 690 00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:38,870 yeah is that our author but then like 691 00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:40,790 what we find out eventually is it's not 692 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:42,830 just like a cameo like I Hitchcockian 693 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:44,930 cameo where he like you know shows up 694 00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:46,100 holding groceries and then we're never 695 00:31:49,030 --> 00:31:47,300 gonna see it again or they could 696 00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:49,040 unbreakable when he's like a doctor or 697 00:31:54,550 --> 00:31:52,190 like a in sixth sense yeah like Mel 698 00:31:56,530 --> 00:31:54,560 Gibson's big thing is that he lost his 699 00:31:58,810 --> 00:31:56,540 faith when his wife died she died in 700 00:32:00,460 --> 00:31:58,820 this terrible car accident and we later 701 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:00,470 find out we don't know how terrible it 702 00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:03,110 is yet oh so terrible at night shyamalan 703 00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:04,940 credit he definitely like ramps it up 704 00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:06,470 and like feeds us the information a 705 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:08,360 little bit not so great but we find out 706 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:10,970 that M night Shyamalan is the guy who 707 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:13,430 killed his wife well he needed to start 708 00:32:21,910 --> 00:32:20,210 the story somehow someone's wife and he 709 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:21,920 said it's all happening for a reason I 710 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:29,930 want to put in a swimming pool it's 711 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:32,450 really weird and I learned recently that 712 00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:35,510 uh M night actually it didn't tell Mel 713 00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:36,920 Gibson that he was going to be playing 714 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:38,540 that role until moments before that 715 00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:44,720 started filming like at home or somebody 716 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:47,780 it doesn't feel like these first like 717 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:50,330 this first run of movies that he had he 718 00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:52,310 was almost just like making movies to 719 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:55,280 Trojan horse his acting career in a way 720 00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:57,350 like he's just building up a real for 721 00:33:03,190 --> 00:32:59,090 himself and accidentally making hit 722 00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:03,200 movies yeah at least so that's just 723 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:04,430 alone did it in earnest you're like 724 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:08,030 alright I know what you're doing have 725 00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:11,000 you shown James Cameron my audition the 726 00:33:16,510 --> 00:33:13,460 other problem is he's not very good oh 727 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:16,520 yeah he's the most wooden of them all 728 00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:18,710 it's like he's it's like he gives a line 729 00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,820 or a nice to everyone they're like God 730 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:20,960 just do it like that but he's actually 731 00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:23,150 just a bad actor that's why he directs 732 00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:24,620 actors in that way he's like he doesn't 733 00:33:31,030 --> 00:33:25,790 want anyone to give a better performance 734 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:31,040 than him big thing is when he when we 735 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:32,810 realized that he is the person who 736 00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:35,390 killed killed his wife it's Mel Gibson's 737 00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:38,840 wife is he not yeah it was an accident 738 00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:40,340 but I mean was there no repercussions 739 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:42,710 that I know he feels that inner guilt 740 00:33:46,150 --> 00:33:44,030 but you know it seems like he's just 741 00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:46,160 running around town getting his 742 00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:47,640 groceries you know 743 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:50,700 seems to be the only non-white door yeah 744 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:53,460 yeah we at least get like his license 745 00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:55,650 suspended or something 746 00:34:01,460 --> 00:33:59,220 yeah you do have to wonder yeah if I 747 00:34:05,510 --> 00:34:01,470 like killed some guy's wife in my town I 748 00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:05,520 would probably really what more 749 00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,740 apologize well that's the other thing we 750 00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:12,000 find out that later in the movie he has 751 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:14,220 an apology he's hasn't apologized he's 752 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:16,290 been waiting to apologize all this time 753 00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,850 so yeah it's just weird I just thought I 754 00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:19,260 would you know see you randomly and 755 00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:21,720 stare at you weirdly yeah and then I you 756 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:23,340 know say sorry and you'd be like cool 757 00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:25,530 I'm sorry locking you in the bathroom no 758 00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:31,409 I you killed my wife but then okay we 759 00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:33,990 should probably get into some of the 760 00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:35,940 themes of the movie and the way I want 761 00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:38,220 to go about that is by mentioning well 762 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:39,390 first there's the conversation between 763 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:41,460 Mel Gibson and Joaquin Phoenix where you 764 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:42,570 know Mel Cousins kind of talking about 765 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:44,130 how he lost his faith and saying like 766 00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,929 you know there are people that see you 767 00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:48,000 know see things and think they're Locke 768 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:50,909 think reason other see signs some people 769 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:52,890 to see coincidence some people don't see 770 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:54,090 signs and then they kill somebody in 771 00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:57,450 their car there was a speed limit sign 772 00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:58,850 right there 773 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:02,160 no but the then M night when M night 774 00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:04,530 Shyamalan talks to Mel Gibson is like 775 00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:07,140 I'm so sorry and and all that cuz he's 776 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:08,580 kind of called him to his house and then 777 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:12,090 he says he's describing you know he was 778 00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:13,950 on that road and there was no car for 779 00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:15,360 miles he's never fallen asleep before 780 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:16,350 and it's like it's like it almost 781 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:23,550 happened for a reason yeah yeah yes a 782 00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:28,080 temper was it easy that's so insulting 783 00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,230 to say to someone yeah you think yeah no 784 00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,420 it's they keep saying like it was meant 785 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:35,220 to be like that's the phrase that you 786 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:37,650 say when you like fall in love with 787 00:35:41,570 --> 00:35:39,750 somebody yeah you know like I saw him 788 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:41,580 from across the room and you know I just 789 00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:42,840 knew was meant to be 790 00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,920 I was meant to kill his wife yeah the 791 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,680 most brutal gruesome way possible which 792 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:51,300 we'll go yeah 793 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,130 I feel like that's an interesting 794 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,380 observation because we often hear you 795 00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,540 know with religion and whatnot playing a 796 00:36:02,930 --> 00:36:00,540 big role in this like oh it was you know 797 00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:02,940 it was meant to be like God wanted this 798 00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:05,340 to happen and I often you know say to 799 00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:08,520 myself isn't that just an excuse for the 800 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:10,590 way humans behave is your ear pinning 801 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:14,520 the blame on something else tragedy have 802 00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:17,330 this are there always Clues given out 803 00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:25,380 before someone dies dog pees on the 804 00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:28,110 floor yeah around then your wife's about 805 00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:30,420 to divorce here so watch it I don't know 806 00:36:35,870 --> 00:36:34,200 I just found that kind of insulting ya 807 00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,880 know yeah it's pretty bad the other 808 00:36:40,810 --> 00:36:37,800 thing that I found insulting was that he 809 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:40,820 just says oh and they don't like water 810 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:43,980 and I was like as a viewer I was like 811 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,900 well [\h__\h] like we could have kind of 812 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:47,040 maybe figured that out later in the 813 00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,990 movie without you saying it he also says 814 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:51,060 he caught one in his pantry yeah yeah 815 00:36:56,030 --> 00:36:53,010 and then Mel Gibson goes and then you 816 00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:56,040 know takes a look at it I kind of feel 817 00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:57,750 like the other things a great scene I 818 00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,650 really like that scene 819 00:37:02,330 --> 00:37:00,240 personally but like are people doing 820 00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:02,340 this all over the work is it on the news 821 00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:04,230 they never say like we caught one and 822 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:05,160 here's what it looks like it's always 823 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:07,770 just like shaky birthday party but like 824 00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:09,660 this random veterinarian is able to 825 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:11,670 capture one I don't know it just felt 826 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:13,530 like almost like I wish they had had 827 00:37:21,350 --> 00:37:18,380 just pantry you know that's the question 828 00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,360 that's a good way to again like you guys 829 00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,280 mentioned earlier these things whatever 830 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,980 they are traveled how far to get here 831 00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:28,560 they have the the intelligence to do 832 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:30,120 that to get here and then they're 833 00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:31,890 getting locked in a wooden pantry and 834 00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,380 they can't figure a way out you know 835 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:37,320 they can't just they don't know that 836 00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,810 this one thing on earth supposedly is 837 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:41,640 there their weakness which again we'll 838 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:47,280 get to but 75% of the globe these aliens 839 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:48,690 are why did they pick this planet if 840 00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:51,090 like you said 75% of this planet is what 841 00:38:01,920 --> 00:37:59,700 of the world's like yeah yeah with the 842 00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:01,930 germs that's a little different and the 843 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:06,040 other thing is come on you know at the 844 00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:07,420 end of the movie they shut themselves in 845 00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,980 and are the aliens are trying to attack 846 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:11,200 their house what's what it's the aliens 847 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:13,420 plan they're just like they're going 848 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:15,369 house to house and I think it's spooky 849 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:17,890 lling everybody --steal the souls of 850 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:22,990 asthmatic children one scene look I 851 00:38:27,089 --> 00:38:24,670 don't want to be a bother but our ship 852 00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:27,099 is powered by the asthmatic gasps of 853 00:38:36,329 --> 00:38:34,390 small children the other thing like 854 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:36,339 because I really like this movie when I 855 00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:38,770 was younger like I said but I feel like 856 00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:41,320 a lot of people were turned off a lot of 857 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:42,820 people that weren't religious were 858 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:44,470 turned off by what they thought was very 859 00:38:48,839 --> 00:38:46,570 kind of preachy I was a religious man 860 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:48,849 let's just and I always saw it I kind of 861 00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,290 dug it because I saw it almost more as a 862 00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:54,839 metaphor it was almost more about like 863 00:39:01,050 --> 00:38:57,820 believing in yourself or not don't not 864 00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:01,060 like torpedoing your whole life and your 865 00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,400 path just because you know tragedy 866 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:05,200 befalls you and just the idea of a 867 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:07,480 priest losing faith is kind of like a 868 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:11,170 very extreme version of that story yeah 869 00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:12,910 so I kind of connected to that but 870 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:14,740 watching it now like with the thing you 871 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:16,150 know saying like oh it was meant to be 872 00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:18,490 and and all that and then thetag ends 873 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:20,500 Mel Gibson says like someone did save us 874 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:23,290 or something like it felt more preachy 875 00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,450 to me now that did then well and that's 876 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:26,800 what happens when you have like a theme 877 00:39:30,089 --> 00:39:28,630 that you're that you're setting up and 878 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:30,099 you're really strong arming it and you 879 00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:31,450 want everyone know what your theme is 880 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:37,630 you have to be like a priest hitter yeah 881 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:40,089 well yeah because like other movies have 882 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:41,650 themes and then we can pick them apart 883 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:43,660 on podcast like this and it's really fun 884 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:45,550 to like get into the nitty-gritty on 885 00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:47,650 that but this there's no there's no 886 00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:49,420 wiggle room for people to kind of talk 887 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:51,160 about the theme and be like maybe it 888 00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:52,900 meant this and maybe he saw signs here 889 00:39:57,930 --> 00:39:55,270 know right it's called signs and it says 890 00:40:00,240 --> 00:39:57,940 some people look for signs and the other 891 00:40:01,589 --> 00:40:00,250 thing is that like the kind of problem 892 00:40:02,849 --> 00:40:01,599 with all of them night Shyamalan movies 893 00:40:05,609 --> 00:40:02,859 which I think we've talked about is that 894 00:40:09,089 --> 00:40:05,619 like yeah they sort of rely on like this 895 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:09,099 on these writing tricks right but I mean 896 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:10,810 they're just kind of like it's just 897 00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:11,089 there 898 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:12,950 just sort of tricks you know when once 899 00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,930 you sort of like see the mechanism and 900 00:40:19,269 --> 00:40:17,180 like it's easy for M night Shyamalan as 901 00:40:21,249 --> 00:40:19,279 an author to like write in all these 902 00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:21,259 coincidences at the beginning and then 903 00:40:25,809 --> 00:40:23,779 sort of fill them out at the end but in 904 00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:25,819 a fiction film like that doesn't seem 905 00:40:30,729 --> 00:40:27,469 like a miracle that just seems like oh 906 00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,739 he like made a very easy connection yeah 907 00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,960 not even cleverness well I think that 908 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:34,640 that there was a twist in unbreakable 909 00:40:38,229 --> 00:40:36,650 and there was a twist in Sixth Sense I 910 00:40:40,989 --> 00:40:38,239 don't know if I'd call this a twist I 911 00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:40,999 think that's what kind of really people 912 00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:42,529 hated from this movie too was because 913 00:40:46,209 --> 00:40:44,390 they went to see a big twist at the end 914 00:40:47,529 --> 00:40:46,219 and this was just kind of like all these 915 00:40:48,759 --> 00:40:47,539 things are coming together and now you 916 00:40:50,109 --> 00:40:48,769 understand what we've been saying the 917 00:40:51,999 --> 00:40:50,119 entire movie how should we get into the 918 00:40:53,650 --> 00:40:52,009 ending then yeah the end because after 919 00:40:55,479 --> 00:40:53,660 they barricade themselves in and it 920 00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:55,489 seems like the aliens have left 921 00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,049 yeah the aliens just sort of like leave 922 00:41:01,359 --> 00:40:58,880 on their own accord around the world 923 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:01,369 yeah but they leave someone behind 924 00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:07,609 yeah yeah kokin people are that the 925 00:41:11,259 --> 00:41:09,529 wounded have been left behind yeah and 926 00:41:13,089 --> 00:41:11,269 so there's still like attacking and at 927 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:13,099 one point like there's still rating 928 00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:15,729 pantry's which is the main objective 929 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,599 pantry we don't want you on our anymore 930 00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,920 well so they yeah they least like spend 931 00:41:26,229 --> 00:41:24,079 the night in it barricaded and like mel 932 00:41:27,999 --> 00:41:26,239 gibson has this like crisis of faith 933 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:28,009 maybe we should like play a clip from 934 00:42:03,410 --> 00:41:39,170 okay engage stay with me I know it hurts 935 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:19,580 don't do this to me again 936 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:22,140 it's like you know some powerful Mel 937 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,290 Gibson e acting yeah yeah yeah I mean 938 00:42:30,570 --> 00:42:27,760 it's you know it's hard to like 939 00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,580 sympathize with him but yeah well as an 940 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:33,280 actor for sure this character I don't 941 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:34,930 know I think it's kind of easy for me it 942 00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:35,890 was easy to sympathize with this 943 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:37,300 character well know for sure like he's 944 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:39,010 like trying to his kids having an asthma 945 00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:41,650 attack and he doesn't have the 946 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,390 medication and he can't go to get it 947 00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:45,760 because the aliens out there and so he's 948 00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:47,800 like holding his child to his chest and 949 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:49,900 trying to get him to relax well and and 950 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:51,490 saying like please don't do this to me 951 00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:53,230 again like that's that's that like 952 00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:55,300 that's that thing where he starts to 953 00:42:58,890 --> 00:42:56,830 believe again right then and there 954 00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,900 because he's he thought he was at rock 955 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:00,880 bottom but this is worse and I think 956 00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:02,530 that's what people do with religion they 957 00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:04,180 turn to it when they're when they're not 958 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:07,060 feeling great and so it's I think it's 959 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,980 it's that it's that moment that I think 960 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:10,960 is so beautiful in the film when he 961 00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:12,700 hates God 962 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:16,060 him and so there's this kind of like 963 00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:18,460 thing where he believes again but also 964 00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,920 he hates that he believes again at the 965 00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:22,480 same time and I think that's a really 966 00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:24,670 beautiful moment yeah um but then until 967 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,840 they survive the night and they go out 968 00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:28,240 and the alien is still around or he 969 00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:29,830 actually like sees the reflection in the 970 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,200 dailies just watching TV just wanna see 971 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:34,720 what's on yeah try to find his fingers 972 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:37,690 and he like so he like picks up the 973 00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:40,660 alien picks up Rory Culkin and is like 974 00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:42,280 holding him like he's about to take his 975 00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:43,750 bride over the threshold or something 976 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:46,840 like I kind of like how he's holding 977 00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:48,430 because it's reminiscent of every alien 978 00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:50,590 abduction ever where people are pulled 979 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:52,300 up by their chests and their arms and 980 00:43:54,930 --> 00:43:53,530 legs are kind of splayed out to the side 981 00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:54,940 I thought that was kind of like a cool 982 00:43:58,170 --> 00:43:56,860 image but he's also the alien is also 983 00:44:05,790 --> 00:43:58,180 like you know like sort of like 984 00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:05,800 rhythmically sort of like movie I was 985 00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:07,510 just gonna add guys that's this is the 986 00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:10,630 part where I think the movie kind of 987 00:44:17,460 --> 00:44:14,020 really let everyone down because it was 988 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:17,470 all CGI and up to this point you know he 989 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:19,690 was pretty ambiguous with these aliens 990 00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:21,880 he like we will never truly see them we 991 00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:24,670 see them in a small home video 992 00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:28,240 which was terrifying in my eyes yeah 993 00:44:32,579 --> 00:44:30,430 exactly but this is another case with 994 00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:32,589 you know many films where they're 995 00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:35,500 showing so much at the end that like 996 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:36,430 there's nothing left to the imagination 997 00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:39,430 at that point yeah tries like he tries 998 00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,500 to see the alien through this television 999 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:43,359 screen which really dims the alien he 1000 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:44,890 tries to backlight the alien so we don't 1001 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:46,329 see too much definition like I feel like 1002 00:44:50,789 --> 00:44:48,970 he tries as a director to hide as much 1003 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:50,799 as he can but still show the whole thing 1004 00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:52,510 yeah it's hard but there are so many 1005 00:44:58,019 --> 00:44:55,359 great scenes earlier where we just get 1006 00:45:00,089 --> 00:44:58,029 those glimpses like the the home video 1007 00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:00,099 in Brazil and like when he's out in the 1008 00:45:05,130 --> 00:45:03,220 cornfield he just sees the leg yeah just 1009 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:05,140 kind of disappear and I come to I and 1010 00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:06,970 also the pantry scene I remembered them 1011 00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:09,369 all being like big jump scares but 1012 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:11,019 there's no there's no sound accompanying 1013 00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,730 them they're just but yeah you know I 1014 00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:14,319 think people in the theater when I saw 1015 00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:16,150 it were you know reacting as if there 1016 00:45:24,839 --> 00:45:20,049 was noise yeah they paid people to sit 1017 00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:24,849 in the theater and go yeah but they're 1018 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:27,400 like I think like the twist if there's a 1019 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:29,470 twist is that like you know all of the 1020 00:45:34,799 --> 00:45:32,740 like coincidences are all like the you 1021 00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:34,809 know little minutiae of like the movie 1022 00:45:39,809 --> 00:45:37,150 like yeah he's a baseball player yeah 1023 00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:39,819 the kid leaves the water around and it's 1024 00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:43,480 all to come down to this moment where he 1025 00:45:48,359 --> 00:45:46,240 remembers the last line that his wife 1026 00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,369 says and there's like a flashback to 1027 00:45:51,089 --> 00:45:50,079 well the alien is like holding the kid 1028 00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:51,099 for like five minutes 1029 00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:01,119 he's like my wife tired and then he puts 1030 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:03,460 together his wife's dying words were to 1031 00:46:08,370 --> 00:46:06,490 tell him hey tell Joaquin Phoenix to 1032 00:46:11,099 --> 00:46:08,380 beat that [\h__\h] alien to death with a 1033 00:46:13,529 --> 00:46:11,109 baseball bat no no Rob Rob he was she 1034 00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:13,539 was vaguer than that she actually just 1035 00:46:19,859 --> 00:46:15,430 said swing away which was confusing for 1036 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:19,869 a while because it had no specifics see 1037 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:22,450 see why didn't you say something about 1038 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:24,430 the aliens I told Meryl to sign up for 1039 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:27,640 swing dance lessons you swing it away 1040 00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:29,170 down there being said in her backyard 1041 00:46:34,259 --> 00:46:31,900 they don't let them off it's horrible no 1042 00:46:35,819 --> 00:46:34,269 but it's just I don't actually I still 1043 00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:35,829 think the moment kind of works just 1044 00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:37,900 because the formal elements of it are so 1045 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:38,440 great to me 1046 00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:40,210 like so great the way it's edited the 1047 00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:41,560 directions so it makes it feel like 1048 00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:43,030 something is yeah it makes it feel like 1049 00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:44,740 something huge is happening I were to go 1050 00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,180 shot that goes right up to his face I 1051 00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:48,400 can you scream closer yeah I'm too close 1052 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:53,260 to I think my favorite line in this 1053 00:46:58,559 --> 00:46:55,990 whole movie where you really get your 1054 00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,569 heart pull this when Mel Gibson says to 1055 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:00,880 the sheriff you know is this the last 1056 00:47:05,339 --> 00:47:02,950 time I'm ever gonna speak to my wife in 1057 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:05,349 that moment alone just got me so much 1058 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:09,849 and she says yes yeah imagine being in 1059 00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:11,290 issues at that point of course that 1060 00:47:15,089 --> 00:47:13,660 would lose my faith after that but yeah 1061 00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,099 this whole flashback scene was very 1062 00:47:19,710 --> 00:47:17,200 interesting and then you get the whole 1063 00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:19,720 swing-away aspect you know supposedly in 1064 00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:22,390 that moment of trauma to her and the 1065 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:24,460 neurons are you know firing in her brain 1066 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:26,920 and she thinks she's at one of Maryland 1067 00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:39,450 Baltimore Sun gods like hey I like this 1068 00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:42,220 ending aliens to earth and one of them 1069 00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:44,230 is gonna get like real close to killing 1070 00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:46,990 your kids you better tell Mel Gibson 1071 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:50,440 yeah but I like the idea of the daughter 1072 00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:52,510 because she never finishes water because 1073 00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:53,980 she says it's contaminated so there are 1074 00:47:58,410 --> 00:47:56,260 all these glasses of water in the room 1075 00:47:59,940 --> 00:47:58,420 and that's you know like we find that 1076 00:48:01,470 --> 00:47:59,950 the aliens weakness that they're able to 1077 00:48:02,970 --> 00:48:01,480 use I like that 1078 00:48:05,099 --> 00:48:02,980 yeah but the swing-away thing just 1079 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:05,109 seemed weird because it's like it almost 1080 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,700 feels like they shouldn't even need a 1081 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:08,800 clue to be like hey grab a baseball bat 1082 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:11,290 and beat the [\h__\h] out of this thing why 1083 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:14,050 do they need a hint use anything use 1084 00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:15,490 your fists for Christ's sakes 1085 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:16,750 say oh I wish she hadn't have said that 1086 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:18,220 because we had a gun upstairs we could 1087 00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:20,650 have gotten something about swinging 1088 00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,359 away I could have gotten the shotgun 1089 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:23,920 from the bedroom yeah there was five 1090 00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:25,170 minutes while I was just standing there 1091 00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,780 to do that my question is if like all of 1092 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:30,880 this like trauma and everything like if 1093 00:48:34,410 --> 00:48:32,410 like his whole wife's like basic 1094 00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:34,420 existence was just for this like moment 1095 00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:36,910 like what the [\h__\h] gonna happen when 1096 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:38,560 they run into problems after this movie 1097 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,089 he's gonna be like oh I remembered 1098 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:42,640 another thing my dead wife said signs 1099 00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,890 too 1100 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:46,480 also sex for the wife there like this 1101 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:48,730 was God's design and I don't know maybe 1102 00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:50,050 Mel Gibson could have gotten hit by the 1103 00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:52,300 car and she could have told Marilyn 1104 00:49:00,480 --> 00:48:53,980 swing-away or God he could have been 1105 00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:00,490 like aliens don't go to earth brought up 1106 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:02,740 a lot of questions for me like if this 1107 00:49:07,310 --> 00:49:05,470 is indeed a movie where like God exists 1108 00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:07,320 and God is doing all this for a reason 1109 00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:10,840 he must have sent the aliens why that 1110 00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:13,000 seems like a pretty dick move and all 1111 00:49:19,230 --> 00:49:14,080 started to ruin a five-year-old's 1112 00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:19,240 birthday party or make that five girl's 1113 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:22,120 birthday party awesome okay well we 1114 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:24,610 couldn't afford a magician but look it's 1115 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:28,600 a seven foot tall lizard man I've got a 1116 00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:31,690 pretty I don't know if you guys will 1117 00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:33,550 entertain this I've got a pretty big 1118 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:37,560 theory on why this all may have happened 1119 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:45,010 because Mel Gibson was a [\h__\h] I feel 1120 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:47,290 like Bo the little girl in this movie is 1121 00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:49,330 probably my favorite character by far a 1122 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,880 lot of people have theorized that she is 1123 00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:54,160 even Mel Gibson says at one point you 1124 00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:55,150 know when you were born 1125 00:49:58,980 --> 00:49:57,100 everyone just said how much of an angel 1126 00:50:00,810 --> 00:49:58,990 you were and this and that and then 1127 00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,820 she's got these water all over the place 1128 00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:03,760 in the theories out there that she's 1129 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:06,700 almost this angelic figure and that 1130 00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:09,880 these aliens are demonic in a sense and 1131 00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:12,400 this is all a test of faith to see how 1132 00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:18,100 humans would react by Satan this was the 1133 00:50:22,590 --> 00:50:20,110 first time I'd watched this movie since 1134 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:22,600 I'd read that theory too and it does 1135 00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,810 factor into it in especially I was 1136 00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:27,520 noticing in the way everyone keeps 1137 00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:28,870 talking about it like it's the end of 1138 00:50:31,830 --> 00:50:30,070 the world mm-hmm 1139 00:50:34,530 --> 00:50:31,840 which is a weird way to just react to 1140 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:34,540 like lights in the sky mm-hmm so I think 1141 00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:36,250 that's definitely there yeah well and 1142 00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:38,590 part of it like even hearing them being 1143 00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:42,100 like well we've three cities in like 1144 00:50:49,289 --> 00:50:46,990 near Jerusalem figured it out like a 1145 00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,299 child was born 1146 00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:51,440 there's one big light in the sky yeah 1147 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:53,660 it's one guy led the way but then we 1148 00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:57,010 crucified him yeah Mel Gibson crucified 1149 00:51:03,789 --> 00:51:01,760 any kind of and it kind of speaks to 1150 00:51:05,380 --> 00:51:03,799 like maybe they weren't allergic to 1151 00:51:07,569 --> 00:51:05,390 water come in this planet but they were 1152 00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,579 allergic to like holy water and if this 1153 00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:09,680 young girl is an angel then she like 1154 00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,680 already like sanctified this water and 1155 00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,240 so all this water was holy water they 1156 00:51:17,650 --> 00:51:16,640 were splashing and Milan says that they 1157 00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:17,660 don't like water 1158 00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:19,369 did he make holy water - he's just a 1159 00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:22,700 vegetarian no dogs 1160 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:24,470 he had like holy water thing in his 1161 00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:25,970 pantry yeah yeah that'll come in handy 1162 00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:31,900 I think the weird thing about like 1163 00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:33,559 having like a faith-based sort of 1164 00:51:38,109 --> 00:51:36,230 message in this other than Mel Gibson 1165 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:38,119 being like kind of like a religious 1166 00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:40,010 zealot so it sort of feels uncomfortable 1167 00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,440 is that like by having M night Shyamalan 1168 00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:44,480 in this movie and by having him plays 1169 00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:47,950 like such a integral role I mean 1170 00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:51,200 metaphysically he's God in this movie 1171 00:51:54,609 --> 00:51:53,390 right definitely like because he had to 1172 00:51:55,329 --> 00:51:54,619 kill that care to his wife in order to 1173 00:51:57,099 --> 00:51:55,339 start the story 1174 00:51:58,990 --> 00:51:57,109 yeah told them how to get rid of the 1175 00:52:00,519 --> 00:51:59,000 aliens so he knew something that no one 1176 00:52:03,779 --> 00:52:00,529 else could possibly know and he wrote a 1177 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:03,789 scene where everyone's like it's him 1178 00:52:10,299 --> 00:52:05,930 yeah he wanted to feel important on set 1179 00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:10,309 for a day and it's weird and I don't 1180 00:52:15,099 --> 00:52:13,369 know just kind of lame I think I don't 1181 00:52:16,510 --> 00:52:15,109 know I think it's kind of fun that he 1182 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:16,520 puts himself into the movies like 1183 00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:17,930 Hitchcock did with like it's called I 1184 00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:19,400 kind of spot him things yeah but if he 1185 00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:27,740 could yeah yeah Hitchcock is a huge 1186 00:52:30,789 --> 00:52:29,420 inspiration I mean that whole scene 1187 00:52:33,819 --> 00:52:30,799 where the aliens are invading the home 1188 00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:33,829 is right out of birds there's no denying 1189 00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:37,420 that whatsoever and I feel like yeah he 1190 00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:39,980 goes that extra step where it just 1191 00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,990 becomes annoying when he has more than a 1192 00:52:46,569 --> 00:52:44,079 minute of dialog in his own movie 1193 00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:46,579 whereas Hitchcock you know you just 1194 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:47,599 might see him in the background 1195 00:52:53,950 --> 00:52:51,890 somewhere walking by or doing the only 1196 00:52:56,349 --> 00:52:53,960 thing occur to me I wanted to mention is 1197 00:52:59,380 --> 00:52:56,359 speaking of the birds it felt a lot like 1198 00:53:01,210 --> 00:52:59,390 the the short story of the birds which 1199 00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:01,220 all takes place on a farm house and it's 1200 00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:02,240 about a family 1201 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:03,710 so the way it almost feels like an 1202 00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:05,210 alternative version of what the birds 1203 00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:07,310 could have been that's cool that's a 1204 00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:09,230 cool way to look at it yeah yeah I mean 1205 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:11,180 it also borrows a lot in non Hitchcock 1206 00:53:15,790 --> 00:53:13,250 from war of the world it's like there is 1207 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:15,800 so the original radio play nothing and 1208 00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:17,210 not the original radio play because it's 1209 00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,920 from a book but the radio play version 1210 00:53:21,609 --> 00:53:20,480 like oh that should have been the twist 1211 00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:21,619 the twist should have been like they 1212 00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,430 were just watching a mockumentary on TV 1213 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:26,480 they weren't paying enough attention to 1214 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:30,050 the commercial media literacy folks like 1215 00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:31,730 that part where they yeah they deliver 1216 00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:33,980 like all of the news through I mean the 1217 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:36,110 news on TV like feels very much like 1218 00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,090 like the radio program yeah yeah it's 1219 00:53:41,830 --> 00:53:40,160 good or also like there's like little 1220 00:53:43,090 --> 00:53:41,840 bits where they you know they're talking 1221 00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:43,100 like the people on the ground and 1222 00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:44,840 they're just like regular people going 1223 00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:46,100 about their lives and not knowing how to 1224 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:48,230 like sort of like deal with this sort of 1225 00:53:51,850 --> 00:53:49,910 crisis and that's sort of like feels 1226 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:51,860 like I'm a microcosm of what's happening 1227 00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:53,690 with Mel Gibson like his isn't the main 1228 00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:56,300 story you know he doesn't kill all the 1229 00:54:01,090 --> 00:53:58,670 aliens and stop the invasion like Will 1230 00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:01,100 Smith does right he's you know just like 1231 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:03,140 a small sort of like adjacent sort of 1232 00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:05,090 story which was really interesting we 1233 00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:06,680 barely even see like the alien get 1234 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:09,260 killed like yeah he kind of leaves the 1235 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:10,490 house with his kids and we see it 1236 00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:14,690 through the window well we can't ever 1237 00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:17,270 know but alien takes so many hits it's 1238 00:54:30,010 --> 00:54:27,680 really what do they do with it yeah you 1239 00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,020 don't know at that point it's like what 1240 00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:31,760 where does earth go from here they were 1241 00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:34,070 just invaded we have an alien body like 1242 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:39,220 what do we do now mm-hmm yeah science - 1243 00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:41,690 so do we want to go around and talk 1244 00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:43,670 about if we thought this movie was 1245 00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,190 rewatchable Rob I'm gonna be honest I 1246 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:49,280 did not love this movie and I sort of 1247 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:51,770 feel like there are parts of it that I 1248 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:53,930 just don't want to like I don't want to 1249 00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:56,210 like the theme of like faith and I don't 1250 00:55:00,220 --> 00:54:58,310 want to like Mel Gibson and I don't want 1251 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:00,230 to like an M night Shyamalan movie for 1252 00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:02,570 some reason so it's kind of hard to get 1253 00:55:09,970 --> 00:55:08,030 a real out going against yeah and like 1254 00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:09,980 so much of like the the acting is like 1255 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:12,320 wooden and the script is like weird but 1256 00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:14,090 at the same time like I feel like I 1257 00:55:19,279 --> 00:55:15,900 should probably give it a 1258 00:55:20,059 --> 00:55:19,289 shot at some other time and maybe I 1259 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:20,069 might enjoy it 1260 00:55:24,529 --> 00:55:23,490 at that point but I don't know I I was 1261 00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,539 really on the fence I'm gonna say like 1262 00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,700 mildly rewatchable cuz I think there's a 1263 00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,559 lot of really good stuff in here I think 1264 00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,680 even Mel Gibson's pretty good but I just 1265 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:33,599 it's not I don't know it was kind of a 1266 00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:36,170 chore to watch hmm what about you DRAM 1267 00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,089 that musics so good 1268 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:41,700 I think that was opening credits - yeah 1269 00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,250 just that little touch of piano and it's 1270 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:46,500 it's great music there are some scenes I 1271 00:55:51,650 --> 00:55:49,770 just think are fantastic like that scene 1272 00:55:55,220 --> 00:55:51,660 where he's out in the cornfield and he 1273 00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:55,230 sees the leg yeah I just thought we're 1274 00:56:00,019 --> 00:55:58,200 so suspenseful and so scary and and the 1275 00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,029 restraint that they have by making them 1276 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,940 silence and I I don't know and if it it 1277 00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:05,760 ended with you know without with just 1278 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:07,859 them in that basement or you know what 1279 00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:09,089 have you I think it would be a better 1280 00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:12,980 movie also Mel Gibson's hard to watch 1281 00:56:18,019 --> 00:56:16,230 yeah it's hard I mean I feel like I can 1282 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:18,029 still watch Lethal Weapon cuz it's just 1283 00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,730 like he just feels like Riggs watching a 1284 00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:22,799 movie where I'm less I know the 1285 00:56:26,539 --> 00:56:24,660 character less it feels like it's just 1286 00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:26,549 that guy I don't like yeah and now he's 1287 00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:29,430 in movies again and this it's weird 1288 00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:36,990 I hope he's not listening no I don't 1289 00:56:42,529 --> 00:56:39,839 know so it's it's it's a lot of 1290 00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:42,539 contradictions watching this movie and I 1291 00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:45,900 do feel like I you know I think like you 1292 00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,079 know UFO culture like a part of me like 1293 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:51,240 I love stories even though I'm not 1294 00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:53,730 religious I do love stories of religion 1295 00:56:57,529 --> 00:56:55,230 if I don't feel like they are being 1296 00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:57,539 preachy like yeah you know it was not 1297 00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:01,140 like God is not like trying to preach to 1298 00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,359 jamming of Kevin Sorbo that I was gonna 1299 00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:10,920 just say like the the kind of setup of 1300 00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:14,000 this movie I feel like has been really 1301 00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,660 adopted by like Christian film like it 1302 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:20,640 at first The Exorcist did it true but it 1303 00:57:23,779 --> 00:57:22,170 was it was like the guy's mom or 1304 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:23,789 something but the similar kind of thing 1305 00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:25,650 like it like the Kevin Sorbo movie and 1306 00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:28,020 that movie the shack that came out it's 1307 00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:29,790 always like the guys got a 1308 00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:32,070 kid or a dead wife and a wife syndrome 1309 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:34,710 and he's becoming an atheist and it's 1310 00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:35,850 where did the named a very religious 1311 00:57:38,540 --> 00:57:36,660 movie the shack 1312 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:38,550 cuz that's like a horror movie title I 1313 00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,410 got porn with just feel something it's 1314 00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:42,540 not a religious movie that is the least 1315 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:45,630 of that movies problems by the way no I 1316 00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:46,770 don't know like I didn't feel like it 1317 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:48,060 was always that preacher I do like 1318 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:49,890 movies that are kind of you know play 1319 00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:52,410 with the mythology of religion or you 1320 00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:53,880 know the message of religion even though 1321 00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:55,590 I'm not necessarily religious so I 1322 00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:57,300 didn't but even like the ending where 1323 00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:58,800 he's like I would like the ambiguous 1324 00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:00,750 ending where we don't totally know we're 1325 00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:02,790 left with this character spirituality 1326 00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:04,590 nobody's gonna find his faith at the end 1327 00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:07,740 they always do yeah last shot of the 1328 00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,870 movie is him trying on his priest outfit 1329 00:58:15,380 --> 00:58:12,240 yeah that was just a little little men 1330 00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:15,390 going gay Church would you like to learn 1331 00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:24,420 more about so yeah I'd say mildly 1332 00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,520 rewatchable I still think it's it's got 1333 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:29,280 enough really good scenes housed inside 1334 00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:31,410 of a movie that's off and on for me 1335 00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:34,440 whatever you blame I love this movie I 1336 00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,150 really think it's a great movie I think 1337 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:38,460 the direction is amazing not of the 1338 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:41,130 actors but of the camera tak Fujimoto 1339 00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,090 was the DOP and he's amazing in this 1340 00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:48,180 movie and and I think the the acting is 1341 00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:50,070 wouldn't but it's not as wooden as like 1342 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:53,220 all his other movies from here on it 1343 00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:55,650 we're like the Airbender was just just 1344 00:58:59,480 --> 00:58:57,870 cardboard cutouts people mouthing words 1345 00:59:00,860 --> 00:58:59,490 yeah when they ran out of planks of wood 1346 00:59:07,070 --> 00:59:00,870 to barricade the house they should have 1347 00:59:09,740 --> 00:59:07,080 been like can we use the wooden acting I 1348 00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:09,750 love the story I think I think it really 1349 00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:10,830 does come together in the end and I 1350 00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:12,150 think people were disappointed because 1351 00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,740 it wasn't quite a Quist and it wasn't 1352 00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:15,960 but it was also too heavy-handed to be 1353 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:19,590 like not a twist so it he just kind of 1354 00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:21,840 fell in this weird area which I forgive 1355 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:31,310 what about you right oh yeah and I would 1356 00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:33,210 have to agree I definitely think it's 1357 00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:35,670 rewatchable I love the score there's 1358 00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:37,470 some wonderful vignettes like you said 1359 00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:39,870 the leg leaving the cornfield and they 1360 00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:41,800 the fingers under the 1361 00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,630 there's some amazing images in this 1362 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:45,280 movie now in terms of like the overall 1363 00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:48,220 message I do struggle with that and I 1364 00:59:53,370 --> 00:59:49,870 struggle all the time with just this 1365 00:59:55,830 --> 00:59:53,380 whole UFO thing you know what I what I 1366 00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:55,840 believe versus what the hundreds of 1367 00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,220 people are telling me on a day-to-day 1368 01:00:02,190 --> 00:59:59,920 basis that they're seeing so I think 1369 01:00:06,420 --> 01:00:02,200 this was the movie where M night really 1370 01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:06,430 started to try something new but at the 1371 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:08,680 same time I struggle with that third act 1372 01:00:14,430 --> 01:00:10,690 where it's all kind of spoon-fed to us 1373 01:00:16,290 --> 01:00:14,440 um I don't know I don't know if if I 1374 01:00:18,060 --> 01:00:16,300 like the message the movie was trying to 1375 01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:18,070 convey but I certainly liked the whole 1376 01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,920 thanks Brian so much for coming on the 1377 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:27,760 show yeah thanks Ryan thank you again 1378 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:29,770 guys I mean I've been listening forever 1379 01:00:33,090 --> 01:00:31,570 and it was an honor to finally come on 1380 01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:33,100 and of course it would be an alien movie 1381 01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:37,030 yeah yeah but we did fire in the sky and 1382 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:42,070 we I've met Travis Walton on several 1383 01:00:45,810 --> 01:00:43,900 occasions and I'll tell you right now if 1384 01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,820 there's any alien abduction case I 1385 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:48,400 genuinely believe that would be the one 1386 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:51,250 and I would stake my quote/unquote UFO 1387 01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:57,130 career on that so thank you very much 1388 01:01:01,710 --> 01:00:58,270 coming on where can they 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